KoS list - Farmers, RP griefers and other scum

[Tomoyo]

meadhbh has this idea here, but a few people missed the point, and things got sidetracked. Hoping we can fix that with this topic. It'd be appreciated if someone could sticky this, if possible.

Everyone, feel free to kill anyone on the following list without any feelings of grief or remorse whatsoever. These people are the scum who ruin our server for decent roleplayers like us, and deserve no mercy. Please don't start camping them however. If you read the next few posts of this thread, in particular the excellent post made by Maralah of Pack Spirit, you'll see why.

If you have any names to add to the list, know of someone on the list who shouldn't be, or are on the list and think there's been some sort of mix-up or mistake, please post up and let us know.

Alliance:
Farmers:
Aerhjhf - Female Human Rogue
Room - ?

RP Griefers:
Byrn - Male Human Warlock
Magunga - ?

Horde:
Farmers:
Tauthonre - Male Tauren Hunter

RP Griefers:

[Tomoyo]

Updated with 2 RP Griefers on Alliance side. I'll need to know what gender/race/class Magunga though, if someone has that for me.

[Maralah]

I'd like this idea except for the fact that you're endorsing camping.

I don't care how much a person griefs, we only lower ourselves to their level if we camp. Pack Spirit has a "no camping" policy. (Meaning if you alliance get camped by someone in Pack Spirit, please let me know so we can keep an eye on them and get rid of them if need be).

Get revenge, by all means, but take the "high road". Don't become what you hate.

[Tomoyo]

Hmmm.....you have a point there. I should change that. While I certainly have no problem with camping a farmer bot (and I don't think camping there lowers us to the level of the farmer), the RP Griefers are a different story, and shouldn't be camped. Killed on sight, yes, but not camped.

[Maralah]

I'm really glad to hear you say that. We were just discussing on the PS forums if we would be able to ally ourselves with a group that condones behavior we're deadset against. This eliminates the need for that discussion!! Yaa!

[meadhbh]

This is a KOS list, I wouldn't camp...it's silly and stupid and I'd generally rather be doing something else. And, as I've said, I generally only PvP defensively (I will fight only when attacked), but if you've got a stupid non-RP name, or are a farmer, all bets are off. Unfortunately not all RP-griefers have stupid names (or perhaps they did at some point but had them changed)...this will allow us to identify those as well.

[ife]

Aerhjhf is usually at Iron Tree Woods in Felwood *rubs hands together greedily*

[Tomoyo]

meadhbh said:

This is a KOS list, I wouldn't camp...it's silly and stupid and I'd generally rather be doing something else.

Nor would I, to be perfectly honest. Perhaps if I had absolutly nothing else to do at the time, and I was in the area (if I was waiting for an instance group to assemble for example), but usually, I'll just kill them and move on. That being said, I certainly don't have any problem if someone wants to camp a bot for some reason. Especially if they can find a way to reasonably explain it in RP. (Such as...say.....a Druid defending the local wildlife against repeated attacks by poachers from the other faction.)

ife said:

Aerhjhf is usually at Iron Tree Woods in Felwood *rubs hands together greedily*

She/he/it certainly is. Wasn't sure if I should add that kind of information to the list though. Actually going out and...well..."farming" the farmers for HK's isn't something I'd condone afterall. I could see us hunting them down in a regular "Alliance/Horde most wanted" kind of event, with a prize to the "bounty hunter" on each side who manages the most kills of those on the list during a set time, but even in that sort of situation, we'd only be killing them once each.

[Maralah]

Camping is camping. Once you allow one exception, even one you feel is justified, you then open the floodgates.

Imagine this... someone is "farming" for their epic mount and since they RP they have crap gear. Along comes JoeBlow and decides "oh, this must be a farmer, EDRP Project condones camping". Or even "Well, this guy pissed me off once, so if I get busted I'm going to say I thought he was a farmer, since EDRP Project condones camping farmers."

Humans (the real life kind, not the WoW kind) are notorious for being able to rationalize any behavior once given a loop hole. This is why Pack Spirit has a "NO Camping" policy. If it's a bot, you can report them... wouldn't that be a more effective use of your time then camping a bot?

I stand by my first statement... I hope you remove the condoning of any sort of camping from the EDRP Project... I think it lessens the project as a whole and will eventually cause a poor name for the group in general.

"I got camped by some twit from EDRP Project, apparently they think I'm a bot and I'm on some sort of KOS-its-ok-to-camp list, what jerks". Justified or not that sort of drama is something that will poison the good image you are trying to build. It's the same reason Pack Spirit doesn't allow the /spit macro to be used at all and no /rude, or corpse "humping" of the slain alliance. We have a good reputation on both sides... but we had to work for it and stick to our morals.

I'd hate to see EDRP Project lose any standing over something as silly as camping.

[Tomoyo]

While I would have to say that there is a big difference between the comments made by one individual, who isn't an organisational figure in the EDRP, and the views of the EDRP as a whole, you have made a valid point there. I'm not one for believing in slipperly slope arguements, but I do wish to avoid any potential animosity from any group on the server towards either myself, my guild, or this project, from any misunderstandings that may arise due to whatever reason. That section of my post has now been edited.

[Maralah]

That's what it's all about in the end, as sad as it is... image. If the most wonderful person in the world smells like an orc who just had a bath in elf blood at high noon... well then no one will bother getting close enough to get to know him.

I'm really very happy to see you've edited the post (and thanks for the kudos!) it makes me feel much better about the future of this project as a whole.

[Kruskan]

Room on the Alliance was botting in the Undercroft today. I camped him for like 20 minutes and he didn't fight back, just kept on trucking the mobs.

[Tomoyo]

Got a class and race for him?

[ife]

Camping anyone, is really unfair to the other person. I never intentionally camp someone. Often I am standing near their corpse because we are having a good laugh about it and they rez and reattack me (er.. not tooo smart there).

There are a few "bot-farmers" that I have run into in Iron Tree Woods, I don't know if Aerhjhf is one. If someone is killing things over and over and over for 12 hours a day to save for their epic mount, well more power to them. I think these people aren't however, a lot of them move very mechanically and methodical. Too much so, to be being played by a human. If you watch them run its very jerky, starting and stopping every few yards. They also run into trees for a few minutes until they make it around. A lot of times too I see them run past mobs that you can see, but that aren't in their little route. These mechanical bot people I have no problem killing a few times for a good laugh, however sometimes I actually just have them help me farm the item I was there for

[meadhbh]

If someone is obviously botting...(not responding to whispers, running to kills that they didn't tag and trying to loot it, just basically following their pet around instead of the other way around...), then they're cheating and should be not only put down but reported.

And yes, I always check before reporting to see if the person responds to whispers first...generally several times in case they didn't see the first couple. I don't want to report an innocent person.

As for griefers, there is NO excuse for rudeness and bullying. It discourages new role-players who are trying their best, and annoys the rest of us. Occasionally it can even be hurtful.

The warlock listed above? He asked our alts for assistance, which we gave gladly, we're generally a helpful bunch, but when we remained in character the entire time he told us we were idiots, geeks, nerds, etc. and proceeded to curse us for role-playing in the most foul language he could come up with (which was rather unimaginative, but got the point across). He also informed me that I am male and queer for playing a female character (looking in the mirror after a shower tells me that only one of those statements is true. Gay I may be, but male...definitely not.)

So will I jump to his aid if a hordie comes to kill him? Hell, I'll cheer and thank them, even if they kill me too. By the time he finished his rant I was about ready to get on my main and summon my infernal in the hopes that it would kill him.

As I've said, this is not an okay to camp list. I don't condone camping and did not intend it as such when I suggested it...this is simply meant as a "These are the alliance who have proven themselves to be 1. Anti-RP, or 2. Cheaters/hacks/bots." And by Anti-RP I don't just mean people who don't RP. People who don't RP don't bother me unless they actively and purposely try to bully role-players or disrupt RP, as in the example above.