Post by grommash2 on Jun 19, 2006 14:53:24 GMT -5
Good points as usual.
I agree that central protagonists are almost always faced with a conflict between doing the right thing and the wrong. what makes an interesting tale is when we can identify with he hero. (maybe that is why Han is more likable than Luke, at least until RoTJ)
But look now at the cast of characters which give color to a great story and lead a protagonist to the point of crisis. Look at archetypes, they never stray from their alignment. Gandalf is never for one second with bad intentions and Sauron is never for one second with good intentions. I am not saying that LoTR is B&W in any way: but evil is evil and good is good the difference between the two is clear and Tolkien makes the extra effort to show us why Taking the ring was the wrong thing.
And you know that every character in LoTR that uses evil with good intentions ends up a servant of evil. What makes Frodo good is that he was not corrupted, what made Faramir more deserving of stewardship than both Denathor and Boromir is that he refused to use the ring. Do not mistake temptation for indulgence, padawan.
See, Denathor was 'grey' like you say....he used evil technology for good. But, as you know, when the battle lines were drawn he was a servant of evil just as the ring wraiths were.
I think you are even helping me to prove my point too. You like Anakin and the ring wraiths and Denathor and Boromir think you can use evil for good. The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions. You and I are in total agreement there.
In my defense:
I can construct a very interesting 3 dimensional evil character. Give me a while. Deceipt treachery, manipulation, indugence in vice.......I think Nehrz'hul, the Nazerazim, palpatine, morgoth, sauron, satan communist russia ect are very believable FICTIONAL characters. On the other hand I cannot construct a believable good-guy. I play a warlock as an archetype not a protagonist, and I try to play a paladin in the same way.
I agree that central protagonists are almost always faced with a conflict between doing the right thing and the wrong. what makes an interesting tale is when we can identify with he hero. (maybe that is why Han is more likable than Luke, at least until RoTJ)
But look now at the cast of characters which give color to a great story and lead a protagonist to the point of crisis. Look at archetypes, they never stray from their alignment. Gandalf is never for one second with bad intentions and Sauron is never for one second with good intentions. I am not saying that LoTR is B&W in any way: but evil is evil and good is good the difference between the two is clear and Tolkien makes the extra effort to show us why Taking the ring was the wrong thing.
And you know that every character in LoTR that uses evil with good intentions ends up a servant of evil. What makes Frodo good is that he was not corrupted, what made Faramir more deserving of stewardship than both Denathor and Boromir is that he refused to use the ring. Do not mistake temptation for indulgence, padawan.
See, Denathor was 'grey' like you say....he used evil technology for good. But, as you know, when the battle lines were drawn he was a servant of evil just as the ring wraiths were.
I think you are even helping me to prove my point too. You like Anakin and the ring wraiths and Denathor and Boromir think you can use evil for good. The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions. You and I are in total agreement there.
In my defense:
I can construct a very interesting 3 dimensional evil character. Give me a while. Deceipt treachery, manipulation, indugence in vice.......I think Nehrz'hul, the Nazerazim, palpatine, morgoth, sauron, satan communist russia ect are very believable FICTIONAL characters. On the other hand I cannot construct a believable good-guy. I play a warlock as an archetype not a protagonist, and I try to play a paladin in the same way.